Wednesday, February 22, 2012

The Theory No One is Talking About

A lot of theories have been bandied about over the course of the last eight years about what happened to Maura Murray in those seven minutes she was alone on the side of Rt. 112. I've always said I don't buy that she was kidnapped by some serial killer. The probability that a serial killer happened to be in that particular area at that particular time is too much to believe.

There's the possibility that she met someone up there, that maybe they were driving in tandem to or from some location and after her accident that person turned around to pick her up. I like that one a lot. After all, Maura had some ultimate destination in mind and I highly doubt she'd travel into the North Country without meeting up with someone.

But what about this. What if she really did just walk away in an effort to distance herself from the crash before police arrived? She didn't need a DUI, that's for sure. Maybe she went East on 112 or up Bradley Hill Road? I've been out there on a February night. Locals don't expect to encounter a runner in that area at that time of night. Some of those pick ups and plows speed along that stretch of road, driving on autopilot. What if Maura was simply hit and what we're dealing with here is an accident where someone hid her body to avoid prosecution for a dumb mistake?

If that's the case, someone, somewhere, would have had to explain the damage done to their vehicle when they struck and killed Maura Murray. I'd be very interested in any reports of people "striking a moose" or having front-end repairs done to their vehicle around Feb 9, 2004.

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  1. Can you remind us what belongings were left in Maura's abandoned car? I would think if Maura was driving in tandem with someone, and made a last-minute switch to their car, her purse, backpack, phone/basic necessities wouldn't be in her car. What was left behind?

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  2. I had thought of this theory too. The easiest place to run/walk would be
    In the rut of previous cars that had gone by, making her more likely to be hit. A lot of theories also assume she was thinking rationally. It would be interesting to get an idea of how much she drank.

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  3. OH MY - Doesn't the Ex chief of Police who was arrested for DUI live on Bradley Hill road??

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    1. Hmm about the possibility of a suicide, there was one case in Louisiana where this elderly man disappeared, they thought he was kidnapped and murdered because they never found him...20 years later, his skeleton was found under his house. He had crawled in a little space and shot himself dead. Could Maura have found a spot in the woods or a shed maybe and taken her own life? Hmm very interesting.

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    2. Ah ... Allen P Robicheaux case . That too has crossed my mind . If Maura did stay warm enough to wander far off and take her life or ever die via the elements it could take decades if ever to find her . So many realistic scenarios here .

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  4. I have considered this possibility too. Also in the Jason Jolkowski case but still think it more likely she stayed off road. I just think she wanted to avoid the cops and stay out of sight. I think that is why she has never been found she wanted to hide in the woods. Maybe until the alcohol wore off or the heat was off or she could get a grip or something. But I just don't think she ever made it out of those woods. Becky

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    1. I was thinking the same thing for Jason. Are you from around the area? What makes you believe this same thing for both Jason and Maura?

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  5. That was an old theory, possibly even involving a police cruiser. Never really went anywhere unfortunately.Back then we did not have you, with your boots on the ground.

    It would certainly make sense.

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  6. I don’t understand why some people cannot understand that having a killer drive by Maura after her car accident is “too much to believe” or “too much of a coincidence.” Explain to me why that is? Look how many people are abducted and killed every single day. Maura being kidnapped and killed would not make her a “special” case. I think the reason people think this would be considered too much of coincidence is because of the state of Maura before she left. All the life problems she was facing and the fact that she may have WANTED to disappear, keep causing our brains to believe that should could not be kidnapped on top of it all! BUT WHY not?

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    1. I'm a psychology student and we studied this in Criminal pathology awhile ago - these irrational perceptions that "It just couldn't have happened despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
      In this case clearly there is no overwhelming evidence to anything. But I do understand the question, and I agree with you.
      The idea of Maura having been kidnapped at a certain time and place is highly unlikely. This is perfectly true. However, the idea of any other girl/young woman, or even a young boy or a man, being kidnapped at any given time is just as unlikely. That boy back in Manhattan, for instance, back in the day - he left the house on his own for the first time in his life - and was kidnapped mere minutes afterwards. The likelihood of that happening is very slim, even to the most hardcore of sceptics. But it happened.
      What makes Maura's case appear even less likely to be a kidnap case (more so than any other) is perhaps the unbelievably short span of time and a remote location where the supposed kidnapping would have happened. I understand this as well. But let us remind ourselves that kidnappers/serial killers do not usually operate in the light of day on busy highways where anyone could see them. They often prowl around in places just like Route 112.
      I am not convinced that Maura was kidnapped any more than I am convinced that she wasn't. The fact of the matter is that we can't know for sure. But I sure am not prepared to rule it out entirely, much as I understand the reasons behind it.

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    2. I do not believe Maura's disappearance was the result of a stranger abduction. However, people who say it's statistically impossible are operating off a bunch of statistical and logical fallacies, particularly the Gambler's Fallacy. The chances that Maura was kidnapped are in fact statistically independent of the other bad and strange things that happened to her that night and in the weeks, months, and years before her disappearance. It is as likely that Maura was kidnapped by a stranger that night as it would be for any young, vulnerable, attractive girl in that area on any night.

      The idea that a stranger abduction would be improbable in such a short (ten-minute) window is definitely a more solid objection, but it, too, may be problematic, in that it may confuse causes and effects. That ten-minute window may have been determined, precisely, by an abduction. Furthermore, the abductor need not have swung by, determined his victim, and collected her all within ten minutes. The so-called "window" for kidnapping should fairly be extended at least an hour back to include all the previous stops Maura made, because those are when a potential abductor might have met her and selected her to follow.

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  7. You've thrown out every scenario no matter how ridiculous. I guess you need a few more chapters for your book. I know for a fact tht maura died in the woods.

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    1. Really? You "know for a fact that Maura died in the woods"? Well, put up or shut up. If you have hard evidence, tell LE. If not, cut the cutesy crap, the childish attention-getting behavior and go away. This is a blog for intelligent grownups, not silly sensationalists.

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    2. How can you possibly "know for a fact tht maura died in the woods"?????? Please explain.

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    1. This is a good theory James,good as any other.Let's say this is true,that brings up some very good questions.One,what type of person could hit and kill someone then hide the body and never say anything about it?(what did the person have to lose to keep it hush hush?).Two,where would the person hide the body in the dead of winter?(The snow was deep the ponds and lakes are frozen over.It would be difficult to dispose of it easily).Three,lets say there were some vehicles reported with damage around that time how could any one prove that it was a hit and run and not for what it is?,(hit moose,dear,or a snow bank and or tree).

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  9. The theory no one wants to talk about is that Maura took her own life. (Whether or not the accident in the middle of nowhere helped accelerate her decision or not).

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    1. This theory has, as far as I recall, been investigated. Maybe James can clarify if I'm mistaken. I don't think anything is ruled out at this point in time as it's been 8 years and still no Maura. No body, no solid evidence that an actual crime has occurred... Anything is possible, really. Although, if she did take her own life in the immediate vicinity of the wreck, her body should've been discovered by now. Unless she had the means to get much further away to carry out her plan.
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    2. The suicide theory has in fact been mulled over, and more often that you probably think. The fact remains that this theory has perhaps more gaping holes than any other, most of which have been addressed on this blog at one point or another.

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  10. Jesus Christ on a cracker. what the hell?

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  11. There were footprints heading into the woods down the road but the trail any cold about 100 yards in. It's just a matter of time before her body is found, although it has been eight years. I had the pleasure of meeting maura a couple of times when she was running in high school. Very driven. And it was no secret that her father pushed her very hard. You may want to talk to her coaches at Whitman-Hanson. I apologize for my tone earlier. You obviously have invested a lot of time and effort searching for maura. This is not only a very informative site but I believe an important one as well.

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    1. To AnonymousFeb 22, 2012 04:39 PM:

      I'm curious how you know that there were footprints heading into the woods down the road but that trails went cold 100 yards in. Were you part of the search team?

      This is very interesting, something I had not yet heard. Everything I've read said there were no footprints, but I don't know how far down they searched?

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  12. James, with all due respect, I don't understand the reasoning that a murderer couldn't just have been in the right place in the right time. My Husband grew up here in MA and was friends with a little girl named Sarah Pryor, she disappeared while on her bike, just happened to be riding her bike and someone took her. It happens, it happens all the time. I grew up in a place that when I was little a small young boy was waiting for the bus and never made it to school. What happened? A horrible person just happened by and saw that kid, he's gone now. The recent story of the little boy in Brooklyn, he was rounding a corner, the same corner he went by every day, a crazy sicko called him over and a couple of days later the police found the boy's head in the sicko's freezer, it happens. I hate to say it happens. You just can't rule it out. A friend of mine at work lived in Westford, she's 50 now, but remembers when she was about 7 and a man approached her at a convenience store, tried to force her in a car. She got away, ran, rode her bike furiously. She got away, but man Wrong place, wrong time. It happens. She won the lottery that day, some do not.

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    1. In the cases you mentioned someone was hunting prey. No one is likely to have been trolling for victims at that time of the evening with lights on and people at home all around.

      It should also be mentioned that this topic was discussed on the old Maura Murray list. It was pointed out that hit-and-run drivers leave the body and take off toot suit. Yet, what if the "young person" the construction worker saw was Maura and what if some malevolent snow plow driver thought he would have some fun and freak out the person running by coming perilously close and ended up hitting the person we know as Maura? Then and only then could I believe that such a person would be eager to hide the body and risk the DNA transmission. He might have felt that he could not explain his hitting the runner in an open area and on a night when the light of the moon was shining so moving the body was essential. A big plow's snow plow may not have suffered the slightest dent.

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    2. I agree with the 4:40 poster. It does happen all the time. It happens with increased incidence, I imagine, when someone is alone and vulnerable - as was Maura. If her family and friends had an inkling of what she was doing, they would likely have said to her: "Are you crazy? You shouldn't be out there alone with an unreliable car. You could get yourself killed!" Not trying to be crass, just don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that this could happen.
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    3. Anonymous, Feb. 22 05:55, They are not always trolling. Sometimes a opportunity presents itself.

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    4. According to a plausible theory Morgan Harrington was most likely picked up while hitchhiking near Virginia Tech. DNA links her probable killer to another assault so to me that indicates that some of these animals take advantage of an opportunity as Anon 8:46 suggests.

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  13. That is a theory, but the reason they are called hit and runs is because usually the person hits and then runs. They do not stick around to transport bodies. What would be the point to transfer DNA, etc onto a dead body?

    This case has a lot of unique questions. Something I would like to know about are people that actually visited Maura's dorm room and went inside between Saturday night and Monday when she left. The reason is that maybe she wanted to get the car back to her dad's because she was afraid he would stop by for the keys and she would be sleeping(from the drinking and staying up late). The accident could just be an unfortunate result of a plan that did not go as planned. I just thought it strange the father said he left her at the dorm, she walked inside, but he never went to the room. Now I know someone will say, "Why in the world is that important?!" The reason is because maybe she was already packed?

    Do not disregard any sort of information, even the guy that posts these disturbing videos. Do not disregard this anon at 2:45 either as even I noticed he wrote the same comment previously. I always try to look for one detail that does not make sense and focus on that. Sometimes you start focusing on too many details because you do not know which one is important and that is all part of trying to understand. But unlike anonymous @ 2:45, I do not know what happened to Maura Murray.

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  14. When I was at UMass--though many decades before Maura, and I was four years younger--I, too, had a lot of stress and trouble to deal with. When it got too much, I would get in my car and head to VT and NH to get my head straight. I was too young to drink legally and looked even younger, but if I'd been able to buy it--who knows?--maybe I'd have taken some along. I'd go to Morgan horse farms, take in the great natural beauty of that part of the world and think, think, think. Just drive and think. When I'd worked out what I needed to do, resolved whatever was bothering me, I'd go back to Amherst. Until the next time. I wasn't with a man, or traveling to meet a man. That was the point: to be alone to think. It didn't seem weird to me then and it doesn't now. I wonder, James, whether you have some outdated, chauvinistic idea that everything a woman does is about a man, involves a man in some way. Why do you have such a hard time wrapping your head around the idea that Maura may simply have wanted to get away--ALONE--for some space and time to sort out many problems that were upsetting her greatly? Your position on this is particularly puzzling in view of the fact that--so far as I know--not one man's name has been advanced as a likely candidate for this alleged fixation on Maura's part. You "highly doubt that she'd head into the North Country without meeting up with someone." Now that opinion seems weird to me. Why in the world would you think that? Do you really believe she was so dim, fragile and pathetic that she couldn't take a road trip and work through her problems without a man there to organize and orchestrate it all? Yes, a man could have been involved--operative word "could"--but its just as likely, in my view, that none was. Don't dismiss it out of hand.

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    1. It's not a feminist thing. The North Country is wilderness. Long stretches of road. Desolate. I don't know any 22 year old men who would go up there alone. Even young hunters take buddies. Especially driving an unreliable car. It's preposterous to think she didn't at least tell someone where she was going. I don't for one second buy that she had some romantic wanderlust and planned to spend a few days getting her head together. That's ridiculous.

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    2. I am a female and I don't think I'm being sexist thinking she wanted to meet someone up there too. I am extremely to similar to Maura(driven, attractive, overachiever, etc). At points in my life I have had multiple boyfriends without anyone else ever knowing it. You would never expect that type of "behavior" from me. I also have arranged to meet college men in person that I've never met through the internet without telling anyone either. Of course, it was obvious through emails, instant messages, texts and phone calls who I was talking to at the time if one had researched it. I also owned a Saturn. Owning a Saturn was the "stylish" and "safe" thing to do back then as tauted by their commercials and marketing. It was a popular car among young females. Mine was not in that much ill-repair as hers supposedly was, but I did go to college in a mountain town. I remember every time it snowed, I knew the car was just like a bob-sled. It handled horribly and you had to depend on the track marks made by the other cars to stay on the road. I remember sliding down a hill once with absolutely no control except for the fact that the sides of the road were carved out with snow higher than the middle so I didn't skid off the edge.

      Maura was determined to get up there to see someone. You don't just go for a leisurely drive to "think" in that crappy car. If she had driven in tandem with someone, maybe she had hit her head and they did pick her up. Maybe she thought she was okay and then ended up getting sick and dying and that person freaked out.

      There are so many possibilities to this case, it drives me nuts. If she wanted to be alone, she had her dorm room! She didn't have a room mate (as far as I can tell). She could have gone to a motel down the street. Yeah, I know she liked nature, but that car was a pain in the butt and she knew it was likely to have issues and likely to have issues in the snow.

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    3. I agree with Renner. He has been close to this case and has been to the area. I did notice an old blog entry where it stated Maura stayed in NH during New Years. Wonder if that has been looked into?

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    4. But she had been there before and some of her favourite places were in the area. I did such things when I was 22. In fact I often went away like that to places where I knew I would meat nobody I knew. Not strange at all, in my opinion.

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    5. to 5:25. BS!
      RIDICULOUS! and it is, as ever, excusing her behaviors and actions to insist she drove and drove to think and think. she ran away from her responsibilities (academic and work-related), and lied to do so.
      it is a luxury of time and resources to distance herself from her stress with the spa-like notion of decompression.
      the evidence is actually that she was distressed by her actions and choices, and probable perceived failures.
      whether or not there was a romantic interest, or if she feared for her life, or feared the consequences by her choices, the problem is not J Renner. his commonsense is not to be confused with chauvinism. nice try.
      so very tired of the excuses and the rewind.

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    6. James Renner, I disagree. You have a biased approach. Maura was familiar with the North Country. Also, women don't always have to include a man in their plans. There is no evidence of any correspondence with this mystery man. How did he know about her plans? How did they plan together? If the credit card fraud actually happened, it is conceivable she took off on her own, because she was emotional. Wrecking her dad's car was the straw that broke the camel's back. Why would she take the stuffed animal, given to her by her boyfriend, if she was meeting another man? Also, why didn't he come forward and why didn't he tell his friends where he was going?

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    7. Really, not for a second? I wouldn't describe feeling like your world was caving in suffocating you, desperate to get the hell away just for a chance to breath as romantic wanderlust. Perhaps at a time like that a person might go to a familiar place they associate with being at peace. Certainly there exists a mental state between suicidal and cautious.

      Also I know plenty of hikers (myself included) that don't consider being within a mile of a road and houses as desolate wilderness. Not that you can't get hurt or die there but not exactly being airdropped into Alaska.

      Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying reading your blog I just find it surprising that your so incredulous to this idea.

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    8. One more (female) vote for 5:25's position. James, the errors in your thinking are evident in the word "plan". I don't think she was really in her right mind, evidenced by the pre-crash behavior, and I think she was just escaping and went someplace familiar. I'm not discounting the possibility that she was going to meet someone, but I think it is entirely possible and, to me at least, most probable that she just took off to be alone.

      Also, if she was going to meet someone, why the diversity of places she searched to stay? It seemed to me like she was just making decisions on the fly.

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    9. James- As a woman who grew up in maine- I dont think it is unlikely a female college age student would travel the north woods alone. Myself and my friends drove alone in rural areas all of the time. When you grow up in these areas you view them differently and feel more equipped to deal with things that go wrong. Maybe its a false sense of security but thats the way it is.

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    10. whoever thinks that a 22 year old would know better than to go out in the mountains in a crappy car alone hasn't been an independent and head strong 22 year old woman. When life felt too over whelming, I would drive my unreliable saturn out to the wilderness alone too, in PA. I would drive up and up, and then get out and walk all by myself in the middle of the woods. It was the only way I could calm down. I also liked to drink, and could totally see myself buying some booze and booking a hotel on my own if I could afford it. I was a great student. I had a boyfriend, a steady one. But truth is, young women will be independent and do things that might seem unsafe in retrospect. This argument is moot.

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    12. I get what anon 5:25 is saying. Maura wasn't going out hiking, after all she had inquired about places to stay. So you mean to tell me, that no man or woman should ever drive down 112 without a tag along, just to go to a motel? This being said, I do believe she was going to meet someone, just my opinion, but is it possible she was just going to clear her head, by herself. Absolutely.

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  15. Probably no plows out that night as there was no new snow for days, maybe weeks, before. The snow wasn't deep enough to bury someone in and I dare any one of you to try to dig up the earth in the area in February--even a warm winter like this one.

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  16. With all due respect, I don't see how it's more likely that Maura traveled in tandem with some mystery person rather than being abducted. As others have posted above, abductions occur every day. And it's certainly possible that a serial killer was involved, if one considers the Brianna Maitland disappearance that occurred five weeks later 90 miles away, which also involved a wrecked and abandoned car (though I tend to think that the Maitland case is unrelated).

    As far as the suicide theory, it just doesn't hold weight. A body has never been found despite exhaustive efforts by search teams, dogs, and helicopters. No footprints were found in the woods the day after Maura's disappearance. It was very dark, very cold, and covered with snow -- where could she commit suicide that hasn't already been searched? Law enforcement would want to eliminate that possibility before wasting lots of time and money looking into other scenarios. And again, it is VERY, VERY unlikely that anyone could start a new life with no car, no money, and hundreds of people searching for them.

    From what I can gather, the only plausible explanation is that Maura got into someone's car (either willingly or unwillingly), and then something happened.

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    1. I don't think people are abducted every day. I think people disappear every day through accidental death, suicide or through their own choice to leave/run away. There aren't that many rogue kidnappers out to get people. If there are, I'm getting some bodyguards!

      We don't know how much planning Maura may have done before she disappeared. Maybe she wanted to leave all along. The car accident was just a snag in the road. Why not take off in the old crappy car before her dad spent a lot of money on a new one? A shiny new car would be easier to spot. An old car would blend in easier. She had 2 jobs and if she had students loans, she would have possibly had a sizable refund check at the beginning of the semester (Jan/Feb). I used to get one to help pay for food, books and supplies. I also used to get checks every semester from a few private scholarships funded by local women's clubs from my hometown. I'm talking well over $2000. These checks were not sent to the school. They were issued to me in my name and I deposited them in my personal bank account. That is plenty of money to start over. I remember hearing in the tv clips that Maura won several scholarships. If she was planning on leaving, she might have cashed the checks in advance and withdrawn small amounts over a period of time as to not seem obvious.

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    2. You don't think people are abducted every day? I live in New York City, and trust me, LOTS of people are abducted -- sometimes victims of human trafficking, sometimes gone missing forever. Very few of them make it on the news, but trust me, it happens a LOT. In fact, yesterday I posted fliers for a 22-year-old student from my alma mater who was visiting NYC, who disappeared on December 30 and vanished without a trace. I have no idea why it isn't on the news.

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    3. Try watching the news. Because Sadly, people are abducted everyday!

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    4. People may be abducted everyday, but it's important to remember that most abductions are by someone the victim knows. A true stranger abduction is a relatively rare thing. While it is possible that a stranger-abduction happened in this instance, it would have had to have been perfectly executed. There were only minutes between the time Maura spoke to the last person to see her alive, until the police showed up. This stranger would have had to not only come upon her at this exact moment, but the person would have had to stop their car, call out or approach her in some way, and she would have had to willingly get into the car. Within minutes. Without any looking out their windows seeing a car drive up, stop and drive away. It's also even more rare for a stranger abduction to occur without a body eventually being found. A stranger in these circumstances likely would have lived nearby (why else be on that specific street? - also, most true stranger abductions occur in areas the perpetrator is familiar with), and would have taken her somewhere and then theoretically buried her somewhere. It was winter. The ground was frozen. People were well aware of her disappearance soon after and the alarm was sounded. It would require a serious amount of chance, and then later planning, to execute an abduction under these circumstances. While possible, it is far-fetched.

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  17. I hope that this is not absurdly off topic but there was speculation that Atwood did not talk to Maura at all. Many said that her hair being down was completely unusual for her. In fact some maintained that they did not believe that the girl at the car was Maura since Butch could easily have thought one 20-something girl looked much like another given both had brown hair.


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    1. I used to wear my hair in a ponytail a lot, but I usually wouldn't when I drove in the car, especially on long car rides. Why? It was uncomfortable to put your head back against the headrest if you wear a ponytail. It's very plausible that is why she had her hair down. Also, if she had been at some hotel or other stop to rest, even if napping in the car, she could have taken her hair down.

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    2. absolutely! his id was after the fact; trust his focus was on the situation, not the details of her appearance, especially if he was not particularly perceptive in that regard.

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    3. disagree with anon @ 12:28. i've worn a ponytail almost every day of my life because of the comfort factor; blow dry only for occasions. it's so absurd to even contemplate WHY her hair would be up or down. no one knows!
      the issue is whether SBD was perceptive enough to make an accurate id of a driver in a situation that didn't require his focus on her appearance.

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    4. AnonymousFeb 22, 2012 06:26 PM, Look at the picture of Maura above.

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    5. Was the car ever finger-printed? Also, if she had been wearing a hat she likely may have let her hair down. She also was in a crash where she hit her head. Her hair likely was askew...

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  18. That ski lift pass....I'm wondering if that place is where her body could be found? Not sure how someone could have pulled that one off, but...

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  19. Under the Curves blog, anon 707 claims that Maura is in fact dead and no more than one mile from the crash site. What the hell people? Under the cover of anonymity, is it too much to have the decency to put this matter to rest if you have the so-called facts and answers to this mystery?! A girl is missing and presumed dead, and family and friends are in agony awaiting answers, and some COWARD is going to write anonymous posts on a blog stating the ultimate answer without backing it up with details?! Come forward now and tell someone what you know! Be a hero! Not a COWARD.

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    1. probably more BS and attention-seeking behavior.

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  20. I have a few questions about information put out there but not clearly put. I read that she was going to west point and had been asked to leave because honor code was violated. What was done to violate the honor code and when did the ask to leave happen. Is that why she was packing because she was done being a cadet?

    I read that a supervisor at her job where ever or what ever it was had to take her home because a phone call was very upsetting to her. Was she that unsteady that a phone call could rattle her that much or was it the school telling her about her breack of the honor code.

    She evidently was a girl who took risks and risky it was to use the cash receipts with credit card numbers on it to order pizza or other things. I read that, unless it's not true. Pretty risky behavior for a west Point student???? How do we know if she didn't charge up or do something else to get much more money out of doing that.

    Perhaps she was being black mailed or something like that.
    did she take all her boxes with her and move them or were they left in the dorm.
    Did she really hit a bridge or something with her fathers car and not something else. Perhaps someone knew more?

    Did she really drink that much all the time?


    I know if you have a drinking and driving it can ruin your career in the military for special jobs in the service.

    She was unable to use the phone at all cause of the mountains. but if it is true that she called that boyfriend possibly already captured but bound so she couldn't talk, at least she could make him worry. but where ever she was then, she was away from those mountains.

    -also you had thought if she walked into the woods and froze to death her body would be there after eight years. Send the dogs in a few times to find her body? Search the ponds and streams?

    - I warn my daughter all the time, it's just dangerous to be on the side of the road stalled at night and this was worse she was walking and I believe her luck ran out and some nice looking old man stopped and she got in. the wrong old man perhaps that escape crazy guy since he was in that area.

    And that crazy guy attended the Hampshire tech school. I wonder if she came into contact with him at all. Especially since she had art and he did art murals!!!! Wm Mc grath. People do have coincidnces like this or simply bad luck. She may have been desparate to get somewhere. In order to give up help out in the middle of nowhere????

    Would a body be that hard to find in that area? In town and further if carried away.

    Otherwise she would have taken help from a school bus driver. Or was she simply being cautious. I am sure the shool bus driver was checked out
    sounds.
    And if suicide, I would think you would want your body found.

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    1. Are there bears, wolves, coyotes in the area Maura went missing?

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  21. Whatever happened to her relocating and living in Toronto away from all of this mess? Is that something that can be confirmed? The earlier post about the phone call to the Toronto Curves was interesting.

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  22. If we assume that she hid in the dark woods when she saw police coming and walked off after the police had gone; that would leave open a much larger window of time than just 7min for her to get picked up by someone, etc. ~Kolina

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    1. Again, she was NOT hanging out in the woods. Helicopter searches determined on February 10 that there were no footprints in the woods.

      -TJ

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    2. Hiding is usually stationary so there may be almost no footprints involved. ~Kolina

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    3. I think it's perfectly fathomable that she hid behind a tree or somewhere, to allude the police. After all, she reportedly did not want them called. She knew what kind of trouble she would be facing. She was probably desperate and possibly not thinking rationally. After all, I think if another vehicle had shown up, in which she would have cuaght a ride, someone would have noticed. She would not know that another car might come along to rescue her, so I think her thoughts may have been to just get away to avoid having to answer any questions. Therefore, I believe she may have fled, possibly not far and possibly close enough to watch for the police, so that she would know when it would be safe to come out of hiding. After that, I feel that she had no choice, in her mind, to continue hiding.
      How sure are the neighbors who witnessed the accident that no other vehicle appeared before the police showed up there? They obviously watched the site following the accident because they saw Maura scrambling about near the back of the vehicle.
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    4. I think the most likely scenario to the Maura Murray case is that she succumbed to the elements. I,too, have been following these blogs and find it so sad. I think that when the accident happened, Maura, took the alcohol and put it in her backpack and ran down the road. I think it is very likely that someone picked her up along the way. I think this person had all good intentions and took her as far as he was going. I think then that Maura must have gotten tired from previous drinking, drank some more, and fell asleep in the woods area where she landed. I think she died from succumbing to the elements. That is why it is so hard to pinpoint her remains. We don't know where she landed. I think someday it is very likely someone will happen upon Maura's remains and we will know the truth. Like it was stated in previous blogs, most people didn't know about this accident. However, maybe someone was just traveling thru that had no clue about who he picked up that night. I realize it would be very hard to find this person at this point in time.

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  23. If she left the car after the accident, what on earth was the plan?

    Ok - maybe she was concussed, maybe intoxicated (?) and not thinking clearly.

    But, where could you go? She was in very good condition physically, I understand, but I´d think even she would respect the elements surrounding her. How long could she walk? Where on earth would she want to walk to?

    It worries me that the cadaver dogs found a scent in a closet in the A-frame house. Was that followed up? Is it true her family never heard about the results of thew carpet? Did they even test it for hair, DNA,...?

    Some thoughts about the phone call to her boyfriend:


    1) it was Maura. She was alive and cold in the forest somewhere, wanting to get help or

    2) it was Maura, being held somewhere against her will and trying to get help or

    3) it was just somebody who had the boyfriend´s number in their mobile phone, out running / walking, and they managed to make a call without knowing it themselves. My name begins with A, and you do not know how many times I´ve received the oddest calls. People are out, excercising, or in the bar, and manage to press something, and voila! a call to me (= first of the list in their phone). Often, I listen to awhile before disconnecting.

    Let´s say someone had just disappeared - I might think it is the person trying to call me. NHow, I just think oh well.

    Of course, I haven´t heard the call. Does it really sound like crying / whimpering? Or like a person running / walking outside, the phone shuffling in their pocket?

    Of course, there´s option 4): If people already knew Maura was missing, some POS thought it was ""funny"" to phone and pretend to be Maura.

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    1. Maura was said to have a sprint phone and that would be pretty much useless in that area and even lincoln and surrounding Towns . Only a couple of services are useful even today. I don't know however if you call using a calling card if it automatically will use the nearest cell tower even if it wasn't sprint.

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  24. I am noticing a video of Mr112Dirtbag is missing, did anyone else see this one:
    It was photos of different places, I remember a convenience store being one of them, and it ended at some place where water was coming out of a large pipe into what looked like either a river or bay?

    Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw that video.

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    1. I missed that one. Do You remember the name of it?

      John

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  25. Sadly, I do think Maura is dead. That is the most logical thing. I just hope her remains would be found and if there´s a killer out there that he would be caught and put to jail.

    I do think the family is hiding lots, but maybe it is just that they want us to think Maura was an angel, an All-American apple pie girl.

    Even if Maura or her remains are found, I think there will be lots and lots of unanswered questions. :O(

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  26. I have recently become very interested in this case. I really appreciate what Monsieur Renner is doing. I've read this blog for a few days and I'm pretty familiar with the facts and theories surrounding the case. That being said I apologize if I repeat things others have said.

    A few things stand out in my mind as being especially significant. Fred obviously knows more than he is saying. He is very sensitive about discussing Maura's life before she disappeared. Could it be possible that her father was helping her disappear and start a new life, and in the process something happened to her that was outside of the plans they had? A combination runaway/murder theory.

    Another is that I see a lot of people accept that Maura had a drinking problem. Is this really the case? One thing I see mentioned often in defense of this is that she regularly took her father to brew pubs for dinner. I'm not sure what they are like in the US, but in Canada brew pubs *always* have the best food, and as very decent prices. Did Maura even drink beer? Which is the highlight of brew pubs.

    We should also remember that Maura was exceptionally smart, given her grades, and seemed to be pretty private, and likely had no problem hiding things from people, perhaps even being manipulative. So when a theory is put forward (such as calculated massive deception perpetrated in order to start a new life) shouldn't be thrown out just because "that's not what a typical 21 year old girl would do". I don't know Maura, never met her, but from what I DO know, she was far from typical.

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    1. Been following this blog for some months now, and have been very impressed by what Mr. Renner has dug up.

      I just have to say, Mr. Renner...do not dismiss the idea she traveled alone out of hand. One of the reasons I find this case so compelling is I relate to this woman in a number of ways. We're both from the northeast, and both had the same kind of wanderlust and love for the mountains and hiking, and the same kind of independent spirit.

      When I was of college age, I can tell you that

      1) I frequently took off alone to clear my head, and fairly often to places that weren't particularly safe and which incurred some level of risk. At that age you tend to think you're bullet proof. I grant you that I am male, but it's totally plausible to me that she ran off to the mountains on her own. Given the parts of her personality that are like mine were, it sounds EXACTLY like something I would have done.

      2) At age 19 I had a car crash with details eerily similar to Maura's. Car full of booze, missed a turn, hit a snowbank, rural area far from anyone but with a few houses nearby, road trip to Vermont I hadn't told anyone about. In my case I was with a friend, but I can tell you we were beside ourselves with panic and trying desperately to get the booze out of the car. A few minutes later some locals came along with a truck with a tow bar (a la Bruce Atwood), and we were so panicky we refused their help. It was only after the locals went "are you sure?" that we came to our senses and let them pull us out. Point being, had they left, we would have been out in the middle of nowhere trudging for it, with only one thought in our heads: to avoid the cops. What was our plan? We didn't have one. I would imagine a while later we would realize we had no choice but to thumb a ride from the first car that came along. Which to my mind is the most logical thing to have happened to Maura. Having said that:

      3. Also around the same age I had a severe life crisis that I thought was about to develop. Again, I had the same kind of self-reliant and secretive nature that Maura had. And I had an entire plan developed in my head about how I was going to run away and start a new life. It never wound up being necessary, but I was quite serious about it, and I didn't tell anybody. Again, at that age, your perspective is such that small crises seem insoluble and the only solution is to completely break loose from them.

      (to be continued...)

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    2. (part two...)

      I don't know what happened to Maura and I've been highly impressed by Mr. Renner's work here. Taking a fresh look at the facts and ignoring the official story and going back to primary sources is the way to go...there's a group called Tighar that has taken a similar approach to solving the mystery of Amelia Earhart's disappearance and have come very close to solving it. I'm just concerned that Mr. Renner dismiss any theory out of hand. I've been dubious about the driving-in-tandem theory because of the lack of a cell record, but I also confess that with then new evidence that it's become more plausible to me. Likewise, I would not want to see Mr. Renner attach to much weight to the idea that it's impossible or highly unlikely that Maura would have taken off alone in a funky car to the mountains. I assure you, Mr. Renner, based on my own recollections of that age, and granting you the gender difference, it's totally plausible.

      One last thought: I had one other run in with the law much later in life -- it involved the minor infraction of hiking in a part after midnight, but I didn't want to deal with a misdemeanor charge or spending the night in the local jail -- and I wound up giving the police the slip by crossing under a freeway and getting back to my car in an old drainage culvert. This was a very dangerous thing to do as it involved being deep underground for about a quarter mile and in the end crawling through an opening less than a foot high into an unlit environment. It occurred to me at the time that if I had had a heart attack and died down there (not at all unlikely given the physical stress involved), no one would ever have found me. I realize this is a completely different situation and probably unlikely, but given the massive search for Maura, has anyone ever checked culverts under the road? I could posit a scenario where Maura takes off, gets cold, crawls into a culvert to hide from a passing car and/or escape from the elements, falls asleep and gets exposure (also something that nearly happened to me from a different wanderlust episode at age 18), and then is never found.

      Sorry for the long post, just wanted to share my own experience here as it relates to Maura's, for what it's worth.

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    3. First of all, having donated many years to Tighar and having taught about Amelia's disappearance in the classroom many times, they do not appear close to solving her case. As a matter of fact, they would seem to be much farther from a solution than the NH State Police in this case. The Pacific is huge and very deep. She was not a great pilot and Fred Noonan, the navigator, was a drunk. She had sent G. P. Putnam (her husband and promoter) a coded message saying that Noonan had been drinking in New Guinea. They missed Howland Island and probably never will be found. That was 1937 and none of her last messages to the Cutter Itaska make any sense.

      Now, as far as hiding in a culvert. I own 90 acres about 40 miles south of Haverhill. The road frontage is over a half mile and there are four culverts. I had a problem with the local town DPW who put a new one across the road and into my property. Culverts in the spring up here would absolutely flood if there were a human body in it. The DPW's would clean out any flooded culvert. Mud season and winter closes off many secondary roads. She could have taken one of those roads which would have been closed in February. There was very little snow accumulation on the ground at that time during February 2004. Climbing into a culvert would have been foolish, dirty and probably wet. I do not believe a 21 year old outstanding runner would have taken that alternative. I believe that she took a ride and got into the wrong car. It was probably a local who would know when, where and how to get rid of a body. I have mentioned this before. There are some very strange back woods people who live in this area. Atwood was thoroughly checked out and the man weighed over 350 lbs. The chances of him having anything to do with Maura's disappearence is extremely remote. MDW

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    4. I hope you've been reading this blog more carefully than you've read up on Amelia's disappearance and the facts and suppositions thereof, given your representation of same...it doesn't appear you read my post very carefully either if you think I was suggesting Atwood had anything to do with it.

      Having gotten that off my chest, I'm really grateful for your insight as a local eye on the ground and about the culvert thought. That kind of input I think is really invaluable. Thank you!

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  27. I completely agree with you Maura was far from typical of an average twenty one year old girl. Also I agree that she didn't necessarily have a drinking problem what twenty one year old doesn't drink all the time? Its the first year your legally able to drink in the united states.

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  28. This case is a classic example of Ockham's razor

    Maura Crashed her car while drinking, refused help and took off.
    She went on foot down the road in the direction she was driving. I see that Maura was involved in track so she definitely was an athlete and she could have went a long way before veering off somewhere and eventually succumbing to the elements.

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    1. Jeff. North Woodstock ResidentMay 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM

      Thats a fine assumption. but noone know which was she was actually headed. and if you assume she was headed the way car sat. and went that way. the cop came from that way. cleary he would have noticed someone running down the road at this time.

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  29. Her running and simply being the victim of a hit-and-run and then cover-up does make sense. It's certainly very Occam razor like.

    Something I've asked but have never gotten an answer to - was a flashlight included in the emergency kit her father made for her car, and if so, was it missing?

    I used to run at night, and on moonless nights would use a flashlight. If Maura used one, she could have gone a great distance.
    Also, if the moon was out that night, that might have helped her make a run for it, though it was a bit early to have good overhead moonlight.

    Lastly, while the idea of killer just happening to be in the area seems against the odds, considering the state her car was in and if it was smoking, backfiring, or simply showing signs of not working right - that may have attracted unwanted attention along her way...
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  30. I think any theory is possible, considering no one has any evidence to steer us in any one direction... of a possibility that happened to her.

    I think it's good to get out any possible ideas that could have happened that night.

    I'm from Maine...I don't think a 21 year old girl, who is thin and doesn't weigh that much...would do as much damage to a pick up truck that a bear or deer would do, but i could be wrong.

    Anything is possible though.

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  31. It has been suggested, and I tend to believe, that Maura was running away with a new boyfriend who was following behind and who picked her up after the crash, but has anyone considered he might be the one who knocked down Petrit Vasi? If he phoned Maura that night and told her he'd knocked down and possibly killed a student and needed to get away that would have certainly upset her and turned her world upside down. And protecting him from prosecution could have been the motive for not getting in touch with her family and just disappearing, rather than explaining herself. I believe Vasi was in a coma for a while so they wouldn't have known if he would live or die, so the boyfriend could have been fearing a manslaughter charge.

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    1. teapot,
      A very astute comment there!
      I´ve been thinking along the same lines for a while and have for some time been tilting towards a close friend of hers driving the Saturn, possibly hitting Petrit Vasi in downtown Amherst,MA.
      As you say, a telephone call from such a person would have upset Maura greatly for obvious reasons, especially since her car (registered in her dad´s name) might have been involved.
      And, yes, you´re right that Mr Vasi was in a coma for several weeks, before recovering eventually.
      IIRC it has been said by LE that one was able to trace the upsetting call to Maura to an on-campus location on UMass, but that this person had subsequently "moved on".
      It wouldn´t surprise me if Maura and her possible "secret" Amherst boyfriend managed to get across to Canada...
      It would all make sense IMO.
      If you add possible multiple credit card fraud on Maura´s account, there would be ample reason for both parties to get out of Dodge as soon as possible.
      It wouldn´t surprise me if the original plan was to ditch the Saturn (possibly with tell-tale signs of a Vasi hit-and-run) in the wilds of the White Mntns National Forest.
      Then, Maura had her accident at the WB curve on Rte 112 and that plan had to be scuppered.
      I believe that the "secret" boyfriend was driving the mysterious red pick-up truck with likely MA plates as observed by witness RO in Swiftwater village at about the time of Maura´s accident, and that Maura was likely picked up this guy out of view from the school bus driver´s residence by her crashed car.
      Did they then perhaps drive up to the Canadian border and managed to get across?
      It all would make sense to me.

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    2. Wow, although my theories have jumped back and forth for many years while following this story and blog, this explanation certainly makes the most sense yet. I have never dismissed the Vasi connection. It is way too coincidental and it surprises me that Mr. Renner would so easily give up on the connection. If Maura's father suspected the same thing, that may explain his reluctance to talk.
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  32. Next to the weathered barn, there is an old dirt road called "Old Peters Road"...it is not even a stone's throw to the site of Maura's accident...I have never heard of it mentioned in searches, or if people (there seems to be at least one home on it)who reside on it were questioned, etc. We often assume that Maura headed east towards the bradley hill rd intersection, but if she really wanted to evade police, the quickest way would have been to go down this road which is across from the Westermans home...it would have taken her a minute at most...then what could have happened, only god knows....have I missed this road ever being discussed?

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  33. Why have we heard nothing about the art museum she worked at? Can you find more on this Renner?

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  34. "Another is that I see a lot of people accept that Maura had a drinking problem. Is this really the case? One thing I see mentioned often in defense of this is that she regularly took her father to brew pubs for dinner...."

    Her appearing to have a drinking problem wasn't brought up because she and her father attended brew pubs. She apparently liked to drink White Russians and seemed to prefer liquor. There's evidence she loved to drink at good parties, and bought $40 worth of liquor on her way to wherever she was going when she disappeared.

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  35. I still stand by the theory that maura may have been suicidal and may have at some point taken her own life. She didn't just abruptly leave school at an inconvient time, but she took with her some valuables, but mostly sentimential items which is kind of an odd thing to take if you were just going to meet someone for instance.

    The arguments given against her being sucidial have been pretty weak.

    They haven't found a body? --- Really? Have you ever been out in the white mountains national forest? The searches that I know about that have taken place for Maura have covered an embarssingly little amount of real estate. Nice try.


    She wouldn't kill herself with mixed drinks?? --- Another plain stupid argument. Maura disappeared from her car with her backpack and a few missing bottles of alcohol (One bottle was vodka if I'm not mistaken). Those were the two items she took with her. She didn't take her valuables, she didn't take her clothes, she didn't take her school books. she took a bookbag filled with alcohol and left the scene by some means. Interesting items to take with you in the middle of the woods. hmm.. She did lock her car before she left and she did leave her fathers accident forms out in the open (so that they would get to him at some point)

    Also looking at the events prior to her arriving in the white mountains.

    She packs up her dorm (stacks the packed boxes on her bed and leaves a suggestive note on top)

    She ties up loose ends: a common thing people do when they know they won't be around much longer (returns borrowed work scrubs; gets accident forms for her father, leaves email to professors and employer to buy herself time to getaway)

    She has multiple searches for locations to head off too (all have one thing in common though, that they are all mountain/hiking locations despite being several hours apart from one another)
    She obviously had no set destination in mind before she left, just a set KIND of destination. (She is a hiker and mountain enthusiast who I believe wanted to spend her last minutes on earth doing what she actually loved to do.)

    But nah, I am sure a psycho path killer grabbed her, somehow avoidng the bus driver, all the witnessess looking out their windows, all the police and firemen that repsonded to the area and then also drove down in all directions looking for her.

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      How does she get from the accident scene to the location at which she carries out her plan? I, too, find it unlikely that she was picked up by a passerby who meant her harm but am puzzled by the lack of footprints in the snow at the scene, the scent trail and the fact that the helicopter search turned up no evidence. If she was picked up by a good Samaritan and thus was able to carry out the suicide somewhere in a peaceful place I would think that this person would have come forward and reported the contact.

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    2. Joechi,

      My actual suicide theory (based on the evidence as I know it) would have maura renting a room for one night (possibly to contemplate suicide or returning to face her life issues).

      I believe the second wreck (one on Rt. 112) was unplanned. And therefore, her plans were ruined from that point forward.

      I think she ended up making a split-second decision on what to do next.

      Her taking her backpack, but leaving everything else behind (except for a couple bottles of alcohol) is very telling to me anyway. She did bother to lock up her car before she left. But if she were meeting someone for instance, they would've came by the accident site and she would've taken her clothing at bare minimum. Or she would've taken some clothing and stuffed it in her backpack and walked down the road to meet up with whoever she was meeting. Taking just the alcohol and leaving the scene is a big red flag to me. You could say maybe she was trying to hide the alcohol, but when she has a full box of splashed wine in her car because of the wreck. I doubt two more bottles of alcohol would hurt anything.

      I think she could've continued on foot. If she stays near the road for many miles and doesn't cut off into the woods, I bet she could've got pretty far and not left much of a trace behind.

      Maura had been in the white mountains area just a few months prior to the night she went missing. Many People don't realize that. Her and her father had a busy october if I recall correctly, climbing mountains and celebrating once they reached the peaks.

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    3. They did not go in ALL DIRECTIONS looking for Maura. They DID NOT go East past Bradley Hill Rd. Why would they not look to the east seenig that is the direction She was headed.

      John

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    4. The box of wine wouldn't fit in her backpack, which, as I have always understood it, was quite small. The wine would have also added a lot of weight. If she'd been expecting, by prearrangement, to be picked up by someone in a vehicle, she could easily have taken the box of wine, and probably would have done, since she was trying to evade a DUI charge.

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  36. And here is Beagle's theory:

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wells-river-vt/TVUHQ3A04JNHPHHN3

    A new post by him. Pretty much what I've been saying he has been trying to do that people have been acting like is rocket science. It's full of maybe's and perhapses, and is nothing more than educated guessing - just like everyone else's. Great thing so much time was wasted wondering what he was talking about, when it's the same thing he's been talking about for the past 3+ years.

    Brian

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  37. Does it occur to anybody that he posted his theory after JR posted his own? A few weeks ago I said a seemingly envious Beagle was just trying to get people's attention so they would listen to HIS theory...now I think it is clear that's what he was trying to do. Get past it, it is as speculative and more out there than anyone else's. He's harmless and everyone is up in arms about it, giving him national attention and making a mockery out of hopeful searching and brainstorming. I hope something like this isn't included in the book, I would like to buy it. How disappointing for such a group of "sleuths."

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  38. "Next to the weathered barn, there is an old dirt road called "Old Peters Road"...it is not even a stone's throw to the site of Maura's accident...I have never heard of it mentioned in searches..."

    I've never been to the accident site, but I've satellite mapped that location. It appears that it is very dirt-roadish. Being that is was probably pitch black and forrest-y, I don't see her going that direction. It looks the scariest of all the choices. I've heard it mentioned a few times, and I would imagine it's been searched numerous times, but I don't know for sure.

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    1. Hey Brian, I posted the note you responded to...yes, it is very dirt roadish...I have been up there quite a few times, the last being a year or so ago. That time I stood by the tree with the ribbon and thought what it would have been like to be in her shoes at that time...and that road was just staring at me. I thought if it was me and I was nervous about the past accidents and needed some time to collect my thoughts, that road would have bought that time...not heading east or west on 112. I, like her am a runner and a hiker, and actually enjoy the 'off the beaten path' roads and look forward to venturing down them... not being afraid of them...I think she had that in her too...

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  39. I think this is a plausible theory. However, I feel like (given the time frame) there would have been more evidence found on the road or snow. Did someone hit MM and then quickly gather her body, possible scattered clothing items, pieces of the car, ect)? I don't know....I'm not saying there absolutely had to be evidence of such an impact, but often there is. Of course, the damage could have been confined to the vehicle. james--any thoughts of questioning body shops in the area at that time?

    Also, I know a lot of us have gone back and forth in regards to the likely hood of a serial killer/abduction. We can't forget that the location where she supposedly went missing doesn't necessarily have to be the same place she first met her attacker (if there in fact was such a person). Indeed, people like that are predators and opportunists. MM could have stopped off at a gas station and unknowingly became the focus of some creep. And god forbid if she asked the wrong man for directions. I truly hope this was not her fate.

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  40. A moose? Maybe a deer. You've obviously never encountered a moose. A moose would do so much more damage than this young girl!

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  41. I just watched,on Youtube, "Maura's last ride", and I agree with a previous comment, that it makes sense, if Maura was trying to stay away from the police after her accident, that she would have turned around and run down the road next to the red barn, instead of staying on 112. I was a long distance runner, and I would have had no qualms about getting off of the main highway at 7:30pm and running to avoid a DUI. It makes sense, especially if she wanted to disappear into the woods somewhere with the intent of doing away with herself.

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  42. Couple of random thoughts to add:

    The Old Peters Road thing is interesting. Looking at google maps, it appears the road used to go around through the woods to meet up with Bradley Hill Road. It seems there's a cleared trace that is still there. The thing that makes me think she might not have wanted to go that route is it looks like it's mostly used (or as appears to be used) as a driveway now. Based on my own night hiking experience I wouldn't think you'd want to run somewhere you might draw someone's attention (and possibly a gunshot) as a potential prowler/burglar. But it's interesting nonetheless. She could have gone that way, and she probably would have wound up back on Bradley Hill. But you'd expect there to be footprints, since I doubt that trace would be plowed. The lack of footprints really seems to kibosh a lot of the running away into the woods theories to me.

    About the running away to have a new life idea: thinking again back to when I was in that situation, what made all the difference was having a plausible alternate life to escape to where I would have a decent chance to make a living. If there was some pathway to a new life, e.g. the hypothetical boyfriend saying, I have Canadian citizenship and my cousin can get you a job managing a Curves, then yeah, I could totally see it happening. Without that, it's a much bigger stretch; but how many times in your life have you had a friend say "if you're ever stuck, look me up, I can get you a job doing X." We rarely take them up on it unless we're truly desperate and our current lives seem out of options. I don't know if that's a potential line of inquiry or not. But in my mind having something specific to escape TO is the key to a plausible runaway scenario.

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  43. Maura didn't think the police were underway. She didn't call them and she didn't know someone else did. ~Kolina

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    1. I disagree with this. Anybody who has been drinking and driving and gets into an accident is gonna be VERY paranoid about the police being called BY SOMEONE in the vicinity. They are gonna want to BEAT it and FAST.

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  44. I've followed this case from the very beginning & just happened upon this blog a while back. I'm a first time poster, so please forgive me if I'm repeating, And let me just say that I'm not into hocus pocus but this was interesting.....

    http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/maura-murray.html

    I know it happens every day, but it's still so hard to wrap your head around the fact that people can just drop off the face of the earth so to speak. Very sad. I love this blog and appreciate reading Mr. Renner's theories,
    as well as all the others that post here.
    Be Well~
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    1. I just read the article on this link. It said the police saw a cigarette butt near the car? I know the neighbor claimed to see a light off of a cig. Her hubby said it may have been her cellular phone light. I'd like to know if her phone had an amber/red keypad on it. Many have blue, but some have red/amber.

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    2. Hahaha forensic astrology. Yep, and I did some forensic tarot readings too. They said, get a grip, Jenni.

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    3. Anon Feb 24, 2012 01:14 PM.....
      I specifically said that I am "not into hocus pocus", meaning, i dont necessarily buy into it but that I thought it was interesting. And thanks for the reading, but I do have a very firm grip....relax and don't be so quick to be critical.

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  45. To clarify one thing on the blog here: completely discount the 5 air searches done. NHSP performed 5 air searches of the area in a Bell 407 helicopter. I am a search and rescue aircrewman and probably have more flight hours than that crew had combined. It is absolutely ludicrous to think that they would be able to spot a motionless body out in the middle of the wilderness. Even with a million dollar FLIR turret it is futile, because she was probably dead for many hours. One thing anyone involved in SAR should know that your eye is drawn to motion. Without it, you probably won't spot it. Credentials: 4 years of experience in H-60 search and rescue.

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    1. Story has is she was wearing dark clothing at the time she went missing.Dark clothing on top of white snow is going to show up like a sore thumb,with or without motion.

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    2. Every tree on the ground, every log cut and not transported out, brush and rocks and all kinds of brown things making it hard to tell a person's body from a thing. There are always plenty of animals eating whatever they come across and spreading things hither and yon. If she did lean against a tree and expired it would be extremely hard to see her.
      She was wearing the absolutely perfect clothing for her body to be very hard to pick out.


      Now if she had been wearing hot pink and orange clothes then maybe you might be right. There are so very many places for a body to not be seen in the woods.

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  46. Thank you Florida for pointing that out. We seem to forget how often even thorough searches fail to turn something up. Molly Bish's body was found just a couple miles from where she disappeared. And let us not forget Elizabeth Smart, who was pratically in her parent's back yard for a month after she was kidnapped. I also sort of do not understand this whole "no footprints" thing. First of all, I find it VERY hard to believe that there were NO footprints leading into the woods from that area. Surely someone other than Maura even must have gone into the woods that day or the day before. I am not buying that. I also do not know what the search was like. What assumptions did the searchers start with? I would be interested to know the EXACT search grid. Someone who is in good shape could have covered 30 miles that night, even in the dark woods. I hear it was about 30 degrees that night. 30 degrees is really not that cold. At least, it is not unmanagable. Someone wearing a warm enough clothes would not freeze to death in 30 degrees. I do not know what happened to Maura, but the fact that the searchers did not find anything is almost irrelevant to me. All that means is that THEY did not actually see anything in the limited area that they searched. Just look at Steve Fosset. They did a massive search and their target was a shiny airplane, yet they saw nothing.

    Now I am one of those people who discounts the suicide theory mainly because they have never found a body, but I hope that my above-given examples show that searchers are actually not very good at finding things. The other thing I want to contest is the reliance on the scent hound. Scent hounds are actually not as accurate as people would believe, or at least the ones they use for drugs aren't. They are good at clueing a person into something, but I do not think that the scent hound losing Maura's scent is really that meaningful. It's sort of helpful, but it certainly is nothing conclusive to me.

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  47. Clint,

    I think you've summed the situation up well. Suicide is one of the most likely explanations and fits much of the evidence. To discount this theory because no body and no footprints were found is wrong. Who knows how good the searches were? I doubt they were as thorough as people suggest, although I'm not going to blame the police. At that point, the police probably thought the driver had run to avoid a DUI and would return. Any police department has limited resources and must make a decision based on what they know at the time.

    There is, of course, the possibility that she was seriously injured and died. If the crack in the windshield was caused by her head, that was a very nasty blow.

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    1. Chris,

      And I want to be clear. I am not obsessed with suicides or anything close to that. It is just a theory that I have and I would gladly move onto another theory if information comes forward that actually discredits the suicide theory.

      I think their are some other good theories out there.

      Maura could've and was a prime target for a hit and run that night. It was noted that she was wearing dark clothing. I think she was vulnerable to be hit. If she stayed by her car, she was vulnerable from someone else coming around that corner too fast and not paying too much attention. Or if she walked further east down the road where there are less residences and more darkness, she would also be vulnerable to be hit.

      I also can't fully get away from the Petrit Vasi theory either, that Maura or her car was somehow involved in Petrit's hit and run, and a plan was put in motion to purposefully stage an accident in the white mountians region with the car to hide evidence that the car was already involved in a wreck (a few nights earlier). the vasi hit and run happened down the block from where maura worked. the accident was reported in around the same time Maura was discovered distraught at her security desk post. Her father all of a sudden shows up a few days later to help her get a different car. Trading a car in amherst though, would not get rid of the evidence that would be on her car she traded in. Maybe a plan to move the car hours away was put in motion.

      The vasi theory is a pretty big leap though, but not an impossible one.

      The suicide theory, I haven't been able to find too many holes in and I have tried. I don't want to think someone with as much potential as maura would want to cut their time short on this planet.

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    2. They have been searching those woods for miles over 8 years. Woods up here at night are damn dark, rocky and slippery. They are thick and unforgiving. She would not have gotten far unless she found a road or got a ride. You could not run through these woods! I have been in them many times and traveling through them at night is ridiculous. She might have moved at dawn in the woods. Missing entry into the woods does not surprise me. The snow was packed and probably hard as there was not much of it.

      I still believe that she got a ride somewhere. She loved her father. She would not have cut off all contact with him if she were still alive. Fred Murray is still looking hard for her. As a parent of a 22 year old senior in college daughter, I can understand why. MDW

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    3. MDW,

      Yeah, I think its very possible as well that she could've got a ride on further east and then dropped off at some point to continue on her own.

      People say, surely someone would've come forward if they had picked her up that night and just gave her ride.

      But to be honest, you would be surprised (I am being a little sarcastic here) of how many people you can walk up to and say the name maura murray and they have no idea who you are talking about.

      That area is touristy meaning anyone could've picked her up that night (Someone just visiting that area that night) and may not of ever heard about the maura murray case since. They just thought they were being a good samaratin, helping out a stranded motorist and have not thought about it again. Now if they were local to that area, then yes, it would be hard to imagine that they would not know the name maura murray and also that they would not put two and two together concerning giving someone a ride around the time she went missing

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    4. Clint,

      I am not firmly convinced of the suicide theory either, but I think it is perhaps the most likely explanation. It is, of course, still compatible with her getting a ride out of the area if it wasn't possible to walk any distance through the woods at night. It's possible that she got a ride and that the person never heard about the case. Or that, even if the person gave her a simple ride, they still didn't want to come forward. Petrit Vasi is interesting, but I remember there being doubt about what actually happened. Was it a hit-and-run or an assault? It would be useful to have some pictures of the woods and also any public records relating to the Vasi incident.

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  48. how long did she sit in her car after the wreck before Butch showed up?
    Was he in his bus? Ive read a few places he walked down to the site, but Ive seen more that he was in his bus.
    If someone was driving in tandem with her, wouldn't they have to hang back for several minutes? They'd have to let Butch pass by, and maybe he would have noticed a car/truck pulled off the side of the road...
    Also the neighbor said she saw "a flurry of activity" near the trunk after Butch left. Possibly putting the rag in her muffler pipe? What else was in her trunk?
    All the liquor was accounted for according to police, right?
    Who travels that road nightly and frequently? It does seem if she got a ride it would be a local to the area.
    If she just got a ride from a local, wouldn't they have come forward by now, unless they had bad intentions for her?
    And per a previous post, was her phone light red or blue?

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    1. It is interesting that she was rummaging around at the back of her car. She may have put the rag there herself if she saw some fluid leaking out of her exhaust pipe. Even if the pipe was hot it would have cooled of quite rapidly due to the weather and she could also have used a stick. ~Kolina

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    2. How long did this neighbor lady watch through the window? Was she close enough to the road to see that the driver was a young woman? She should be put under hypnosis to see is she can remember more!

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  49. There are so many different theories associated with this case. The case is even metaphoric in some respects. But the questions go on and on.
    Something I wondered about is why she did not drive up to the ATM? Maybe it did not allow it but I thought about that. Something else I wondered was why she did not write her boyfriend that she would be gone for the week. She writes her professors, but does not write him about it even though she sends him an email. Even the email to her boyfriend is strange since she would almost certainly have to be on her computer looking up places when she makes the phone call to the Salamone's about the cottage. The call takes place at 12:55 for 3 minutes and the email is sent at 1pm. so the one conclusion you can make is she had no intention of telling anyone close to her where she was going. The real problem with this case, the sticking point, is whether the accident was real or staged. And if it was staged, how in the world did she pull off getting away?
    As for writing a book, one of the things I would focus on when it comes to the runaway theory is how the case is metaphoric. I read somewhere that the name Maura is associated with old women who run antique stores. Then there is the accident site. She does not just crash at a curve. She crashes at a fork in the road, a decision point. Then there is the chapter in Maura's book about life or death because that chapter is her chapter, the one about her own decision. She is going down a different path, the old Maura gone, the new one beginning. It is like the Switchfoot song. As for life or death, I can only relate what I read about the man and the ocean. But I am not going to write it because it is easy to figure out. I would only tell one person in your blog about that.

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  50. I lived about 20 miles away from the accident site for 12 years. I went to school there. Nobody who I ever mentioned this case to ever heard about it.
    My roomate Tony was from woodsville. He lived there his entire life. When I told him about this a couple years ago he was shocked, he'd never even heard of it! He asked his family, none of them ever heard of it.
    I kno everyone loves to think these forums r all important but very few people from the general public read these forums.
    Very very few people up in nh know about this case, let alone have any idea what she looked like.
    It's very very possible that someone going skiing at loon licked her up, gave her a ride and just never heard of the case so they could t come forward as a witness

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    1. It's also possible that if Maura was picked up by a local person, quite innocently, who just gave her a ride somewhere (to the nearest landline phone, perhaps), he chose not to come forward because he had his own issues with LE and didn't want to be implicated in MM's disappearance. Or maybe he just hated cops. We've heard on this blog that there are some odd ducks living in that area; a lot of odd ducks hate cops. And quite a few people who aren't so odd, come to think of it.

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    2. I find that most young people don't care about current news and also some older adults just don't want to know what is going on around them or to busy to care.

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  51. I just watched an episode of "Disappeared" about Amber Gerweck (who went missing but was later found), and I was thinking -- Perhaps Maura Murray experienced a dissociative fugue state that was triggered by the accident on Route 112. If Maura was going out of town by herself to clear her head and cope with her personal troubles, something like an accident could be extremely traumatic and could trigger a dissociative fugue episode and amnesia. This is an uncommon but well-documented medical condition in which a person can perform basic human functions, but they don't remember their identity or their life. If this were the case, it is possible that Maura is still alive but has no memory.

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    1. I used to give such credence to this T.J. though I did not know the formal name which you have supplied. A couple of nurses on the old Maura Murray site said that they had had patients who they eventually had to dismiss from the hospital to God knows what fate because these poor souls could not pay a dime and had no memory of any family members.

      With the head injury and the mounting bad luck and being drunk and especially another accident on top of the one a couple of days before certainly suggests the distinct possibility of an emotional breakdown.

      If a passing tourist gave her a ride to New York City or another huge city, she could be there to this day subject to God knows what depredations.

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    2. TJ this is the theory I had asked about on the old Maura Murray list but I did not know the technical name which you have provided. A couple of nurses on the old site informed me that they had had patients who had completely forgotten who they were and eventually they had to leave the hospital, not the least reason being that none of these people was carrying enough money on them to pay for an extended hospital stay! So if Maura had gotten a ride from a tourist who was going to a distant locale and Maura's head trauma and other factors led to the state which you have explained, she could indeed be wandering around, or perhaps she may have found herself in a state hospital for the mentally ill.

      She had gone through such a nightmarish and humiliating few days that if anybody was set to suffer the forgetting of her name and old life, poor Maura would have been a prime candidate.


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  52. J Renner:
    I too think you are a bit too dismissive of the fact that she could have been in the Woodsville area alone. I went to college in NH, I'm a male and I'd venture into those kind of areas, including the very road MM crashed on, alone all the time. I'd carry a gun for protection like I do in any other rural area but there is nothing specific for anybody to be afraid of up there. If you know what to expect and are prepared to handle problems yourself, its just fine. Northern New England is a great place to drive around and forget about your problems or the worlds problems, its tranquil and in many ways resembles the way life was 100 yrs ago and the way life should be. Many a college student I knew would drive around to de stress.

    MM seemed pretty savvy and, from evidence, certainly had a better than zero idea of what she was doing/where she was going. Knew what to expect in the mtns, etc. Her potentially altered state is obviously a negative factor here.

    I still fail to understand those who insist there was some conspiracy, she must have been up there to meet a boy, somebody else must have been involved, she must have staged the accident, etc.

    I know if I was trying to stage an accident, I would not be drinking beforehand. I doubt Maura would either. Staging an accident requires deliberate planning and effort to do without getting seen/caught. Its also about the worst place, tactically, to stage an accident. Thinking about that area, there are a million better places where "civilization" is much closer yet you could still easily get away with it. Say I-91 in VT, less than 20 miles from the accident as the crow flies, its damn isolated at anytime of day but especially on a winter night. Police presence in VT is almost NIL, you could easily "crash" (stage an accident) in the vicinity of one of those off ramps and walk quickly into a town like Bradford, VT. If somebody was waiting to pick her up and start a new life, or she was waiting for somebody or meeting somebody, that would be a much better place to do it and an easier place to blend in. Middle of desolate Rt 112 right outside a few houses? Thats gonna seem out of place and attract some attention (though obviously not enough because she slipped out from under the noses of the witnesses, you'd think they would continue to watch or offer help upon seeing somebody in trouble/rummaging around behind the car).

    I'm not ready to discount the fact that she could be in the nearby woods, searches or not, its vast forest things can be missed. Too much weight put on footprints here. If indeed she was running eastbound as one witness said is possible, she could have got quite a ways on pavement and then veered into woods. Even from a helicopter, you're not gonna necessarily pick out footprints if you are not looking very, very closely. Plus it was days later and there would be other foot prints in lets say even just a 10 mile stretch of Rt 112. Snow also melts, refreezes, etc, cant rely on it to hold evidence.

    My gut feeling is she made it east a ways and was picked up by somebody with bad intentions who saw her vulnerability and took advantage. I dont know if this is known or not but the police likely responded from the west unless they happened to be patrolling in the Lost River area at the time. It is much more likely they responded from the Haverhill area which is where the GCSO is and where the population center (if you call it that) is in that region. Thats where patrols are focused. NHSP could be anywhere but more likely responding from the west as well. This would mean no cops passing MM as she moved east if my guess is right. Anything could have happened from there. Also can't discount somebody hearing the call go out over the scanner and then looking for trouble. TONS of people up there own scanners and listen regularly, its not all good guys listening. Far fetched but you never know.

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  53. About Maura's drinking: Sharon Rausch, Billy's mother, said that when Maura stayed at her home in Ohio, as she frequently did, Maura always had alcohol for breakfast and lunch. I would call that a drinking problem.

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    1. Not necessarily. She was 21 and, whenever she was with the Rausches, she was on vacation (summer trips, the holidays). Often when people are on break from their regular routines, they'll indulge in a nip of Bailey's with their coffee, and a beer or two with lunch, then maybe some wine at dinner. And it really doesn't seem - to me - like she drank to excess while with the Rausches.

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    2. Wow, where did you hear that?

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    3. I do not believe that one single bit. Where did you get that quote. If that parent saw her drinking at breakfast and lunch each day I would be absolutely amazed. She seems very intelligent and is the mother of an army officer from West Point. Tell us where you read this and be specific. MDW

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    4. Oddly enough, I remember reading/hearing that too, about Maura's allegedly drinking at breakfast and lunch on a regular basis, but I can't remember the context or who made this claim. Point is, it's out there somewhere. This may be significant, or may merely reflect, as someone else has suggested, that she was on vacation and this was not excessive for the circumstances.

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  54. I wanted to address some of these theories. My ideas behind them might seem like bs, but everyone's ideas really are bs until Maura Murray is found. I think sometimes what people have to remember to do is to try to think as if 1. She never has the accident and 2. She does not have any plan for running away or committing suicide. If you do that, you will understand things better.

    1. Maura Murray is going to meet someone or run off with another boyfriend.

    One of her favorite movies from what I read is "My Best Friend's Girl". This movie is all about something a shyer nice guy like me knows all too well about....the ahole theory. To try and describe this theory it is kind of like this. "I think he is cheating on me"..."I found strange texts on his phone when he was sleeping"..."He smelled like perfume tonight when we went out"...basically every reason to not like the boyfriend becomes a reason to keep going out with him. The girl always peraphrases everything with the folllowing...."But I love him." Why is this important? I get the impression this is the way Maura Murray was with her boyfriend. Plus, no matter what is going through her mind on the day she disappears she always remembers to call her boyfriend. I believe even her last call for message was to see if he called. Then there is the other common sense problem and that is that if she did meet someone who she ran away with or helped her out at the accident scene they would have to keep this secret just like her. She is an attractive girl. I would have thought the guy would go to her, not the other way around.

    2. She is suicidal.
    I do not think this was a suicide and if it is, whatever problem was bothering her was so deep inside that she did not tell even her best girlfriends or family. In the last email to Liz Drewniak, she mentions wanting to go see Dane Cook and she missed him at UMASS. Dane Cook, who I forgot about until I remembered the movie, is a comedian. So her is the theory broken down. She wanted to go see a comedian and then kill herself. She killed herself between a missed trip to see Dane Cook and a scheduled one she researched(if she does not disappear).

    Does this not seem strange to anyone other than me?

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  55. I agree that a random serial killer just randomly spotting Maura Murray at her crash sight and abducting her within 5 minutes is a pretty hard pill to swallow. However, it is reasonable to assume that Maura fled the scene herself, hoping to avoid police, and ended up stranded along a roadside in the middle of the night. In a scenario like this, the chances of meeting someone dangerous increases exponentially. It might not have been a "serial killer", but someone capable of harming another person and taking advantage of the opportunity. Many tragic crimes like this do occur spontaneously. IMO, nothing but human intervention -- either malicious or accidental -- would be keeping Maura from her life and her family 8 years after the fact.

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    1. Yes ,and it would be easier to overcome her because she may have been drinking alot and also injured by the crash .

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  56. Concerning the theory that Maura disappeared of her own free will: Has anyone closely examined the possibility that she somehow relocated to New York City?

    I have lived in NYC for 10 years, and I can say with certainty that it's VERY easy to be invisible here. There are lots of jobs that pay "under the table," lots of opportunities to get fake ID, lots of runaways and human trafficking rings, and inadequate law enforcement resources for the number of people. It's a perfect place to hide -- finding Maura in NYC would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

    West Point is only an hour north of NYC, and Maura was undoubtedly familiar with the city. According to one of Maura's friends, Maura once took a day trip to Boston without telling anyone... Maybe something similar happened here.

    -TJ

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  57. As GypsyJas has pointed out, one does not need to be a serial killer to pick up and take advantage of a young girl. It could be anyone with the capibility of murdering. The difference between serial killer and killer is pretty great, and when you're talking about picking someone up on a desolate stretch of highway in the woods of New Hampshire, anyone can be a prospective killer. That increases Maura's chance of getting picked up by someone with the capibility of doing harm to her. Everyone here just assumes that the person to pick her up with the possibility of doing harm to her would be a serial killer. It doesn't have to be.

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  58. Anyone with time to spare might try Googling Esther Reed, Michelle McMullen or Michele Whittaker. There are many differences among these three women's cases, and between theirs and Maura's, but there are also some unsettling parallels, including Reed's and McMullen's evident amorality or lack of an evolved ethical construct, which is evocative of Maura's situation, and Whittaker's lonely resilience, which also reminds one of Maura. Those three women were found, one way and another, but how many others may still be out there, simply because they were successful and don't wish to be found? It's pure supposition and wishful thinking that if Maura is alive and well she'd have got in touch with her family and friends. Makes you think.

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  59. I have heard that search dogs had picked up her sent for a short distance to where it inexplicably stopped (unless she got into a vehicle) - ID Discovery. I also read that the police did not search in the direction from where the car came due to different juristitions, but rather focused searches in the direction of where the car was heading (not sure if true if you could explain). In thinking about it, if I were to be in a similar circumastance and needed to find assitance in an area I was not 100% familiar with, I would probably walk backwards from the direction I was heading as in passing those points already, I would know what was there and if I could get assistance. Just thinking out loud, but do you know which way the dogs followed the sent (where the car was heading to or coming from)? Was there any houses / businesses in the direction the car was coming from that Maura would have passed and perhaps walked back to for help? If there were places ibehind the car that she could have walked to, and if the sent was moving forward from the car (although some sents can be spread by wind alone that dogs can follow), it may leand more evidence that someone she knew did come and pick her up (perhaps a car she was following behind).

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  60. I just saw this case on the episode of "Disappeared" so I am really new to this whole case. I became very interested and googled her name and came across this blog. Your blog probably covers this somewhere, but it's hard for me to read through everything and all the many comments. My question is did anyone ever investigate the bus driver ? In theory, he could have picked her up, harmed her and called the police as a cover up. Like I said i'm new to this case and don't know all the facts and details. When I first saw the story, the bus driver was the first thing that came to my mind. Who knows Maura's state of mind, but if this was me and I was out alone at night, I would have MADE SURE I had that bus driver help me in some way. Whether it was to get help, or get a ride from him or something. It makes no sense that she would pass up the bus drivers help but get into the car of someone else. Is it possible he had something to do with it ?

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    1. His name was Atwood. You can do a search in the blog for posts mentioning that name. Maura was probably under the influence of alcohol when she crashed and having been previously in a bit of trouble with LE she was likely not very interested in getting help from Atwood after he offered to phone the police. Or she was waiting for her travel companion to pick her up. Or she took off running. Or it was her plan to disappear. There are many possible reasons why she denied help from the bus driver.

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  61. Is it me or did anyone find the father's description of Maura's accident with his car strange (on the show Disappeared ). It's almost like he tried to dismiss the accident like it was no big deal, but I think it actually was a very big deal to her father. I think they argued and it may have put her over the edge. Then, crashing her car...she probably thought her dad would kill her (obviously not literally ) . I think she walked away feeling alone and devastated. Seems like her dad is very demanding and overly strict.

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    1. Most loving parents realize you can fix or replace a wrecked car, but you can't replace a child.

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  62. Maybe the person she met at the wrong place and wrong time was the bus driver? I don't believe that it's too far fetched of an explanation that he killed her. Killers hide in plain sight every day. BTK? The BTK killer was a hard working church going father. Hid in plain sight for decades until his capture. Why couldn't this seemingly harmless bus driver have been responsible for MM's death? It's possible. Anything is really.

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  63. Maura could have Dissociative Fugue.

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  64. point of interest the state rolice never processed the bus where he could have hid her

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  65. A young girl caught broke down on a snowy North country road is a perfect target for any deprived man who prowls those wooded areas. I believe she was bumped off the road by such, and will never be found.

    My other theory is that her family and her boyfriend were railroading her into both a career and a marriage she did not want, but moreso what was expected of her. I think she may have ran off with her lesbian lover who she met in nursing school.

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  66. I often wonder what LE knows that they don't put out into the public in these cases. As far as this case goes, it could be some sort of killer but it seems somewhat unlikely in the context of the circumstances. She was having trouble at school or with the car crash, she lied about a death in the family, she had a phone call at work that made her so upset she had to be escorted back to her dorm room, she bought a ton of alcohol for one girl, and THEN in the the span of 4-5 minutes a killer drove by? That's hard to believe I think. She didn't kill herself because she couldn't hide her own body. If she had a secret lover wouldn't have this been uncovered on her comp or phone records? If she had travel partner following and hopped in that car why didn't she take her belongings? What about this house with the closet where the cadaver dogs went "bonkers". I also don't think the story about a sighting at Cumberland Farms makes no sense. I mean who sees a young girl mouthing "help me" and just goes on their merry way until they DECIDE it's important many months later? Baffling case.

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  67. A few observations about the accident hypothesis:

    Having the car fixed right away would have been risky. People working on the car could have figured out the causes of the damage.

    A safer option could have been to crash the car again on purpose and in a way that the new damage would cover the old one.

    This could produce different outcomes. For example, one might decide to then have the car repaired. Alternatively, one could find it even afer to total the car, so that it is then destroyed along with any evidence. In this case, there would be no body work to be done. But the insurance company could provide a lead. The policy related to that vehicle would have been modified or terminated, maybe even a few months later. Insurance companies might provide information about totalled cars in the following days or months.

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  68. Another source of information could be the local DMV. They must know which vehicles were destroyed and whom they belonged to. This, of course, would not work in case the vehicle were from another state.
    It might neverthelss be worth following this lead.

    Another option could be that she got a ride from someone who happened to simply pass by and she may have run into the wrong person.

    But if she travelled all the way up there, it is possible that she had already met up with someone and that the other person was driving another vehicle. That would also explain why she refused help from the bus driver. She didn´t need it because she would just get into the other person´s car. That is, in fact, compatible with the fact that the dog traced her only a short distance away from the car and on the road.

    She had looked up routes on the computer. It is possible that the route was only to the place where they´d meet up and she´d then follow the other person. She could have looked at rental properties in the area either because they were still deciding where to stay, or to have an idea of the place the other person had mentioned.

    I´d think it´s probable that the final destination was not too far away and also that it was a place that belonged to the person she met or, at least, was rented by the person she met. That´s why the person was leading.

    It would be useful to ask the rental places in the area about bookings starting on the day of the disappearance or the next day. One of them might be in the name of the person she met.

    It´s very sad. I hope you can find out what happened.

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    1. Has anyone looked into adam lane? the truck driver serial killer?

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  69. Having lived through a situation with my daughter recently, who was Maura's age, let me throw out this theory. Maura was under pressure from things that were going on in her life. So was my daughter. My daughter like Maura was always focused and and achiever. A gifted student. Right after college graduation we noticed a few strange things started to happen. Over a three day period her behavior was a little bizarre. She was going thru the motions of doing what she needed to do during the day, but it seemed that she at times was a little confused. Nothing that couldn't be contributed to just being tired. I insisted one night that she not go back to here apartment and sleep here at her home just to get a good nights rest. She looked at me and said " maybe I should my minds been a little weird lately". I told her not sleeping well will do that. That night I noticed she couldn't sleep. She wandered around in the dark. I got up talked to her, she made good sense in what she was saying, but the entire night went with no sleep. The next day she seemed to be more confused about what she was supposed to do. She started having signs of paranoia. She wanted to leave our home but I insisted she was not well enough to work. I wasn't letting her leave my sight and I started calling doctors to see if I could get someone to see her. All appointments were a week out so as her confusion progressed we decided to take her to emergency. Over the next 10 days she forgot who her father and I were. Her drug and toxicology screen were clear. Her ct scans were normal. My daughter had a complete psycotic break. I bring this up in Maura's case because of the things I've read leading up to her disappearance. A psycotic break of this type is not always immediately bistable. For example when we were checking her in the hospital she was asked if she was married or single. She replayed married with 2 children. She said it with such conviction the dr. Didn't question it. She has names to go with the fantasy. No one caught it until I looked over her records. My daughter was talking in a new life without hesitation. Convinced it was true. I'm happy to report that with medication she is well now. She is equipped with a gps should the meds fail and she needs to be located. Maura's parents unfortunately didn't have the ability to monitor her actions as we did.
    Had my daughter had this happen in college she may be missing too, just like Maura.

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  70. Maybe because I live in the Texas Killing Fields when up to 3-4 serial killers were active at anytime I never had a problem with the theory that Maura came across the wrong person . But many many a time I have thought somebody hit her and killed her then took her and hid her forever . Yes I think Maura was running from the demons in her young life but I think somebody really did hit and kill her before she could pull it all together .

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  71. Why hasn't the LE theory been pressed as hard as the others?? I had a professor in school convinced a member of LE was responsible for Maura's death...

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